*nods* I don't think this is exactly the time or place for relevant personal stories, so I'm just going to go with, Caron's exactly right. Yay for true lessons in fiction. (: Good chapter. If I had money, I'd donate.. It'll have to wait until I find a job, though..
If you don't have money, please consider telling a friend, putting a post on your blog/Livejournal, throwing a link up in a forum you use... if you don't know anybody you think would be interested in this sort of story or don't feel comfortable recommending it, you can always write the URL down on a slip of paper and leave it on a bookshelf somewhere or something. :) Every new reader is a bit more money and motivation to keep going.
“Everybody’s mother is a goddess to them,” Caron said. “Let me rephrase that: every spoiled kid who has a mother and depends on that mother for everything’s mother is a goddess to them.”
“Okay, but… my mother actually is a goddess,” Amaranth said. “So…”
Interesting how Amaranth doesn't even try to correct her about being spoiled here.
And how she utterly Fails at noticing it's probably stupid decisions made for stupid reasons like this which make Mother Khaele think about breaking them up.
This chapter just points up the fact that Amaranth is every bit as immature as Mackenzie is, even if she is a bit more socially adept. They need people they'll listen to who will give them sound advice like this. Nice chapter. :)
BTW, off-topic but does anybody else here have a Ponystars account?
I get the distinct impression that if Caron ever learns about Jamie's bracelet, there will be words.
I also disagree with Caron, but not so much with the theory espoused as the other details. This is a collar, and it means X. And therefore, you cannot have it. This means something else. And this means something else.
I disagree. We're not talking science or math or the Oxford Pax Dictionary here. Saying what a collar does and does not represent is akin to arguing over what the color blue means. Much the same way that Caron's opinions about, "Oh sure, there's the two of you, but what if someone else comes along" doesn't quite fit either- because there is someone else- two of them, in fact.
Caron's right that this may be stumbling forward faster than their brains can keep up, but there's also a point where you have to stop saying, "This is what X means," and start saying, "Find something that means Y to you."
Which I suppose was Caron's point about 'showing other things' but it could've been phrased better, rather than going from 'I won't sell you a collar' to 'here's something else I won't sell you' to 'why don't you come back later when I'll show you things that I will sell you.'
In the bondage subculture, wearing a collar means a very specific thing. And they made it clear that they wanted it to mean that one specific thing, and not just "A cool strap of leather or other material to wear around my neck" or even "something my dom can attatch my cuffs to when she wants my hands out of the way". There are things like wearing ones with locks in the back or just simple thin chains meaning varying degrees of commitment. Point being, the reaction is a valid one. It's a very, very serious thing. If Mack went around wearing Amaranth's collar, and then the next week they weren't allowed to ever see each other again.... It's like giving someone a ring as a last ditch effort to make some kind of commitment before your parents send you off to boarding school. Trying to nail a girl to you emotionally speaking before a long, maybe permanent seperation is not something that you want to do, all bondage connotatins aside.
Sorry for the wall of text, and sorry if this tastes like I'm jumping down your throat, because I'm not trying to really. I'm just saying, these things really DO have meanings, and if I saw some freshman kid walking around wearing an inch and a half thick bondage collar with a lock in the back and a two inch O-ring in the front, I would feel the need to have words.
A collar's just a collar, yes. And a pinwheel's just a pinwheel, right up until you organize a fascist genocidal dictatorship around it.
The collar symbolizes something to Caron, something very specific, permanent, and monogamous. To the best of her ability to determine, Mackenzie and Amaranth think of it in the same way. And so it's rather like dealing with someone who stumbles into a liquor store, keys in hand, and tells you they want Jack Daniels to help them drive home. You stop them from doing something stupid because you know better, and they obviously don't.
I really appreciate having Caron stand in as a mother figure for the two of them. It's like I appreciate Jamie's mom and grandad in MOARMU, and the two here have really been missing this influence. Thanks for writing this.
You know... it really does strike me, the way that 'does not even understand' and 'understands all too well' look alike in the eyes of an emotional six-year old.
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And I appreciated Caron's blunt honesty- I know it would have pissed me off at 17/18, but it's what I'd like to think I'd be able to carry off now.
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February 13 2009, 10:54:43 UTC 3 years ago
Typo?
Can't tell if this is a deliberate stylistic thing or a typo:"... a taste o the over-the-glasses..."
I have other things to say but will post them separately.
February 13 2009, 16:11:35 UTC 3 years ago
Re: Typo?
Either you need an "is" after "for" or the word "what" needs to go.
February 13 2009, 13:32:31 UTC 3 years ago
Typo
“Of course, you’re a kid, so the guard get to deal with you.”February 13 2009, 19:38:15 UTC 3 years ago
Re: Typo
It's not necessarily a typo. The word "guard" can be a collective noun.3 years ago
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“Okay, but… my mother actually is a goddess,” Amaranth said. “So…”
Interesting how Amaranth doesn't even try to correct her about being spoiled here.
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This.
Everytime. Yes.
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BTW, off-topic but does anybody else here have a Ponystars account?
February 13 2009, 17:27:41 UTC 3 years ago
I also disagree with Caron, but not so much with the theory espoused as the other details. This is a collar, and it means X. And therefore, you cannot have it. This means something else. And this means something else.
I disagree. We're not talking science or math or the Oxford Pax Dictionary here. Saying what a collar does and does not represent is akin to arguing over what the color blue means. Much the same way that Caron's opinions about, "Oh sure, there's the two of you, but what if someone else comes along" doesn't quite fit either- because there is someone else- two of them, in fact.
Caron's right that this may be stumbling forward faster than their brains can keep up, but there's also a point where you have to stop saying, "This is what X means," and start saying, "Find something that means Y to you."
Which I suppose was Caron's point about 'showing other things' but it could've been phrased better, rather than going from 'I won't sell you a collar' to 'here's something else I won't sell you' to 'why don't you come back later when I'll show you things that I will sell you.'
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Sorry for the wall of text, and sorry if this tastes like I'm jumping down your throat, because I'm not trying to really. I'm just saying, these things really DO have meanings, and if I saw some freshman kid walking around wearing an inch and a half thick bondage collar with a lock in the back and a two inch O-ring in the front, I would feel the need to have words.
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February 13 2009, 18:18:08 UTC 3 years ago
Nice
This is pretty much the same feeling I have when I look at young couples. Of course,whenever I outright said it, I felt like a dick but I enjoyed it.Still I love the chapters that have some awesome "You Got Served" moments since they are so rare.
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The collar symbolizes something to Caron, something very specific, permanent, and monogamous. To the best of her ability to determine, Mackenzie and Amaranth think of it in the same way. And so it's rather like dealing with someone who stumbles into a liquor store, keys in hand, and tells you they want Jack Daniels to help them drive home. You stop them from doing something stupid because you know better, and they obviously don't.
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Why would Caron force her opinion on them for a collar? Honesty's the best policy when it counts, and I'm not sure it counted here.
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Shopping makes Caron give it
To her in the neck
Being submissive
Isn't the same thing as the
Act of submission
If you're serious
Caron will sell it to you
Lock, chain and collar
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